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Types of Contacts

First we have to assess how many types of contacts with intelligent non-human beings there might be. Since there might be other intelligent beings that we could consider as “human,” by “non-human” I mean non-homo sapiens as the intelligent species predominant on the Earth’s surface.

Classical contacts” (with human-like beings), voluntary conscious contacts, typically with “older brothers.” Typically by invitation and telepathy. They are more communicative. In many cases, classical contactees (like George Adamski, Sixto Paz) are asked to write a book, give lectures or share in other ways a positive, transformative message.

“Abductions,” but most would not be abducted by negative beings although morbidly some researchers and in films tend to emphasize that. In many cases they include teaching or preparation, transmission of symbols and languages, sometimes children. Often, “abductions” evolved to acquire the characteristics of “classical contacts.”

Contacted by the fact of participating in highly classified unacknowledged ‘government’ extraterrestrial research and/or in secret space programs. It is a very controversial subject that currently divides ufology. Persons like Bill UHouse and possibly persons like Corey Goode, Dan Burisch, Andrew Basiago, Randy Cramer, William M. Tompkins represent this possibility. Testimonial evidence is admissible as when inside a court the jury seeks to evaluate the consistency or contradictions between the testimonies and may use any documentary and physical evidence that supports or contradicts the testimonies.

“Inter-reality” physical and inter-reality non-physical (often simply called “Interdimensional” which may include mental, astral, lucid dream contacts, contacts during deep hypnosis or during near-death experiences.

“Experiencer” contacts (general term referring to the person living experiences of contact with intelligent non-human beings. A Category that covers a wide range of events (including contacts with physical beings of diverse appearance and level of development, with forms of energy as well as non-physical contacts) and subsumes the previous four forms of contact. Some experiencers describe what seem to be more spiritually evolved entities giving loftier messages others describe more matter-of-fact, perhaps scientifically inclined entities and still others describe entities engaged in human-like (and movie-like) civilizational conflicts and alliances amongst various groups even with human military and secret factions.

In all cases telepathy seems to play a common role. The importance of consciousness as a key factor transcending and connecting realities is generally acknowledged.

As for contacts with perceptible physical beings, people generally describe energetic and / or spheroid forms, human form, small gray, tall gray, reptilian, insectoid, animal, and other forms.

The F.R.E.E. survey in which thousands of persons (who preferably recall in a conscious manner their experiencer memories and who anonymously describe them by responding to hundreds of quantitative and qualitative questions) reveals that a majority of contact experiences are considered not to be “evil” or “negative.”  Besides that, most tend to have a positive, life transforming effect.  Moreover, the varieties of beings most described are: energy beings and/or orbs, beings with a human appearance, short grays, large grays, reptilian, insectoid, animal-like forms, others.  The F.R.E.E. link is www.experiencer.org 

In most cases all types of contacts are initially described as surprising and/or scary and generating difficulties in terms of sharing the experiences with family, friends, spouses, co-workers, and society at large. While there may be some negative and perhaps “evil” experiences, most are found not to be such after the initial phases of fear and surprise are overcome. What is most important is how we as humans react or respond to these situations.

Exopolitical Considerations – Part I

There are many descriptions about the alleged unity, disunity and variety of beings within the cosmic community apparently visiting or interacting with us; descriptions competing for what can be considered important to be of exopolitical relevance. Are some or all of them benevolent, evil, both or neither? What are thousands of persons experiencing or claiming to be experiencing around the world? Who among these alleged “visitors” should we try to purposefully contact to establish a peaceful and constructive civilian exopolitical relationship?

Exopolitical Considerations – Part II

In the F.R.E.E. survey, besides some information about MILABS (human military abductions associated with some “experiencers”) there has thus far not been much of a description about a secret space program (at least of the more astounding kind) as described by persons like Andrew Basiago, Corey Goode, Randy Cramer, William Tompkins. In my view, this doesn’t necessarily invalidate these descriptions of the Secret Space Program (SSP) just like F.R.E.E. doesn’t necessarily invalidate some or all of the information acquired through hypnosis by researchers that receive more traumatized abductees. What it shows is that the SSP information and the traumatized abductee information may be gathered by researchers focusing on persons that come to them to give to them those specific types of information. They might still be a subset of the general experiencer population not reflected in a survey like F.R.E.E.’s.

Since we are on a data-gathering stage my approach tends to be inclusive and non-dismissive of the various aforementioned descriptions, mostly gathered from contactees, abductees, experiencers in general, and whistleblowers. I try to withhold dismissing judgments and to maintain a neutral attitude until enough corroboration or rebuttal of particular claims is available.

My opinion is that we need to learn to be integrative; that is, to live under the underlying principles behind a science that understands the coherence between subjective and objective aspects of reality. And this requires of us to stop thinking so exclusively in terms of an either-or dualistic, dichotomous logic. This would involve being able not to react so emotionally and to suspend judgment even when we hear particular descriptions about the extraterrestrial presence which we find “preposterous.” The quite eager degree of mutual dismissal among individuals within the various branches of what could be called “the disclosure movement” may signal to other intelligences that we are not psychologically ready to integrate the many facets of our human-non- human connections.

Since contact phenomena appear to refer to a deeper level of meaningful connectivity existing in the cosmos, we would also need to change our cultural epistemological foundations toward a deeper cultural understanding to non-destructively harness a conscious non-local access to a science and technology that transcends the classical limits of space-time. Such a science and technology would require from us to get acclimatized to living under non-classic laws, easily experiencing phenomena that now seem strange, laughable, silly or outrageous to us.

Showing a greater degree of unity within the community of individuals exploring UFO, exopolitics, experiencer and related matters would reflect a greater resonance with a coherent, non-local information matrix. It might signal a greater arising degree of maturity in our species for which we would be treated more as sovereign beings and less as immature, self-destructive children playing with fire.

Thus, how do we unlearn to react in the same old ways always seeking self-assertion of our beliefs, premises and identities while easily dismissing whatever truths others may be expressing?  Perhaps by beginning to move in another way.

Scientists and experiencers coming together with mutual respect in order to establish solid evidence would also signal this move toward the maturity needed for an open disclosure to be supported by some of our “visitors” who might – in turn – shown up in more objective and undeniable ways.

In my opinion, we need to attempt to establish an easier communicative relationship with all plausible non-human intelligences but it would be easier to start doing so with more human like beings by working with CE-5 approaches inclusive of open-minded, respectful scientists working a few bona fide contactees.

Exopolitical Considerations – Part III

These are trying times for sustaining the basis of a reasonable and rational civilization at large.Since exopolitics, experiencer research and ufology touch upon issues whose content for many already constitute “fake news”  we are facing a greater challenge to establish and coherently connect the kernel of truth behind all of what is being testified, known or believed.

We seem to cherish finding immediate reasons to dismiss each others’ beliefs, assertions, and truths if they compete with our preferred truths just as many of us compete for being the most influential voices among the segment of the population that cares about whether we are actually being visited or not.  What we are seeing now in an era in which truth is being challenged by fake news and in which belief often trumps objectivity and the foundations for a civilized public discourse extends into exopolitics. In a year that marks the 70th anniversary of the beginning of the “modern era of UFOs” and after decades of needing “physical evidence” that there might be other intelligent non-human civilizations, many are self-righteously jumping into dismissive condemnatory remarks about such plausible evidence emerging, for instance, under the alleged discovery of humanoid mummies in Nazca, Peru.  It is like a test to see if we are able to withhold conclusive judgments and to come together in the name of truth.  The same may be happening in relation to how “wild” the Secret Space Program may be. Different forms of evidence are acceptable in law and in the social sciences beyond the requirements of vidence from the natural sciences but should listening to all proposals about the SSP be included in a discussion within serious institutions like MUFON which (to their merit) takes pride in seeking objective evidence? I think so because the interactive UFO phenomenon includes objective and subjective experiences and interpretations whose claims are always challenging some standardized belief. It is always challenging us to expand our considerations in a rational, critical-but-experiential and intuitive way to eventually be able to “connect the dots” (as my friend Paola Harris might say).

  1. Kenneth Arnold showing a drawing of what he saw. 2. Photo by José María Fernandez Martinez. Guayama,Puerto Rico 1995. 3. 1938 Photo fromPoland (cortesy of Robert Bernatowicz) 4. 1943 Photo from Huanuco, Peru. 5. Depiction of human and non-human “space brothers” from the Nonsiamosoli organization. 5. Drawing of a “Blue Avian” described by Corey Goode due to his involvement with one of the “Secret Space Programs.” 6. Alleged humanoid mummy found in Nazca, Peru. 7. A 1927 UFO photo from Oregon Junction, USA. 8. A variety of other beings described

 

 

 

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Some images of alleged humanoid remnants (including X-rays) safeguarded at Instituto Inkari in Cuzco, Peru. I think that other remnants are kept elsewhere as well.
  
  
Image of a presumably well-preserved skeleton with unknown characteristics. Notice a round object on the left 3-fingered hand.
There is a possibility that some of the alleged humanoid mummies or remains among different kinds allegedly found in Nazca, Perú (perhaps in early 2016 and made publicly known in late 2016) might be of unknown biological origin. That would be extremely important but, apparently, most have been determined to be assembled or fabricated. However, whether this is a recent feat or have been assembled in older, prehispanic times, still has to be determined. If they had been assembled in prehispanic times that would also be a highly important finding as it seems they would have represented humanoid beings unknown to science.
The site where the remains have allegedly been found remains secret but is supposed to be in a non-archaeologically recognized site in the Nazca area close to the Pacific Ocean. As far as I know, scientific tests are underway and in a few weeks, there may be more adequate information.
According to an intermediary (Mr. G. Paul Ronceros Fernandez), the persons finding the site claim not to be archaeological remnants grave robbers (called “huaqueros” in Perú) but to have been walking in that area and found a partially opened stone lid showing an entrance that held a high Inca quality underground stone citadel with large stones and several sarcophagi along with many unique mummified remains. The specimens are of different sizes. They may have been made by current hoaxers by joining human and animal bones and through a binding substance for the covering flesh or may have been made by ancient inhabitants through a mummification process somewhat similar to the Chinchorro mummies from Chile in order to commemorate the presence of humanoid beings in prehispanic times.
Mexican UFO reporter Jaime Maussan and a team of scientists were in Perú last week. There also were some Peruvian scientists present. They went to Cuzco to Instituto Inkari and “Paititi House” led by a French explorer-archaeologist Thierry Jamin who – as far as I know – obtained some of the samples through an intermediary (Mr. G. Paul Ronceros Fernandez) and later on more samples through another contact closer to the persons allegedly making the initial find). I believe that Mr. Jamin has been trying to obtain individuals or organizations interested in collaborating with the research, especially to pay for the DNA, Carbon 14 and other tests that should be carefully performed. It is said that Gaia Foundation has also been involved. Mr.Maussan reports that a confidentiality or non-disclosure agreement was signed by the researchers but that they will make the results known perhaps in a few weeks or relatively soon.
And after returning to Mexico from Cuzco, Mr. Maussan now informs through his Tercer Milenio channel (also in YouTube) that, while many samples were found by his research team to have been fabricated, SOME of them have been 99.99% assessed (in person by his team last week) as not being fabricated but that they are genuine, non-human biological remains. Both fabricated and allegedly non-fabricated samples have bone under what seems to be flesh. I hope that the assertion that some of the samples are from bodies that once lived is correct but only careful research will tell.
Previous X-ray images show bones in hands and body skeletons that did not seem to be quite functional. There also are small heads that may have been fabricated with animal skulls and some of them original. I have not traveled to Cuzco where some of the samples are kept but over the last few weeks, I’ve asked a well-known forensic anthropologist (Dr. Guido Lombardi) to give me his opinion on the images available and he thought that they were fabrications.
However, Mr. Maussan now mentions that there are some anatomically correct samples, including a hand and one full body sample that allegedly measures 1.60 meters in length (of which I have not seen in the video reports yet). The research team (not only composed of a well-known forensic anthropologist but also of Russians and persons from other nationalities, I believe), took some tomographies and, allegedly, some smaller samples for analysis and are expected to produce scientific reports in a few weeks.
Mr. Maussan disclosed that, besides X-rays,  tomographies were made and DNA and Carbon-14 tests are being conducted and that results will be presented internationally in Perú, the U.S., and Mexico, hopefully beginning in few weeks.
I hope that the tests are performed very carefully because, if ancient remnants are used to fabricate the samples, Carbon-14 could give spurious results. Also, DNA can be contaminated and -even if tests are properly performed – results may be not what we might expect.
Then again, as of today, I think that we can still be suspicious that all of the samples could still be hoaxes from craftsmen taking advantage of the will to believe while utilizing Perú’s public image as a special and mysterious place. It happened before with the so-called “Ica Stones” most or all of which were fabricated in modern times according to my investigation and that of others.
By the end of 2016, my friend, UFO researcher, Mr. Dante Rios Tambini told me that, after a UFO Conference in the City of Arequipa (which I attended), he had been approached by a person having access to some alleged mummified humanoid Nazca findings. Dante went to Thierry Jamin’s Instituto Inkari in Cuzco and they started the research, trying to send samples abroad and asking the opinion of local physicians and scientists. X-rays were made under different X-ray machine values or calibrations and that would be normal according to Dr. Guido Lombardi (a well-known forensic anthropologist I sent available videos and images to a few weeks ago) because the samples are mummified or dehydrated.  Based on what was being shown on YouTube either by Instituto Inkari, Thierry Jamin or, separately, by Mr. Paul Ronceros, Dr. Lombardi opined that what he saw were fabricated samples. I don’t know what his opinion would be of the samples Mr.Maussan says that his team found not to be fabricated but I hope to have the opportunity to show him these as well.  He also seems willing to see the samples directly in person and not only through images.
It seems that several samples have been acquired by persons other than the alleged original discoverers and that, besides Instituto Inkarri and Mr. Ronceros, at least one other person has some in his possession (Mr. G. Paul Ronceros Fernandez a.k.a. Krawix999 in YouTube) is an intermediary who has more samples and has registered some with the INC (Instituto Nacional de Cultura) but, after initially stating that they were extraterrestrial or humanoid now he states that after studying them more closely he’s found that they were all fabricated/put together most likely by a prehispanic civilization in the Nazca area perhaps to represent non-human beings they had encountered. He claims to be in contact with the discoverers of the site and claims that a large underground citadel has been found in Nazca with large Inca-like stone walls, sarcophagi and 20 species of what seem to be mummified beings. In a recent interview by UFO research-interviewer Dr. Anthony Choy Mr. Ronceros said that he doubted that Mr. Mausan could have found non-fabricated samples. Most of the “players” are suspicious of each other and public opinions tend to be convinced of authenticity and cover-up or of fakery and commercialization. There also are accusations that some persons (other than the alleged one or two those who found the samples) would be making money from this. Moreover, if some of the samples turn out to be genuine humanoid biological remains, their legal status has not been specified in the legal code.
In a recent interview by UFO research-interviewer- attorney Dr. Anthony Choy founder of APU (Asociación Peruana de Ufología), Mr. Ronceros said that he doubted that Mr. Maussan could have found new non-fabricated samples in Mr. Jamin’s possession. But Mr. Jamin may have obtained new samples from the original source itself. There is a person he mentions and calls “Mario.”  Most of the “players” or persons involved are somewhat suspicious of each other’s intentions and (as expected) public opinions tend to be polarized: either convinced of authenticity (and, often, of cover-up) or of fakery for commercializing purposes. But the truth may be determined only with careful scientific procedures and should hopefully come out soon. There also are accusations that some persons (other than the alleged one or two those who found the samples) would be making money with this. Moreover, if some of the samples turn out to be genuine humanoid biological remains, their legal status has not been typified in the legal code.
If we speculate that the “Be Witness” alleged humanoid case that brought big controversy to Mr. Maussan and to Ufology was ‘allowed’ to proceed by the “powers that be” behind the “cover-up” and-or “truth embargo” because it could eventually be plausibly denied (even after forensic expert evaluations) once a clear image of the plaque next to the body (describing it as a boy’s mummy) was digitally sharpened and, if we consider that some of the current samples from Perú (as Mr. Maussan claims) are most likely not fabricated but original and biological and that, furthermore, if no one is interrupting this research, then could we perhaps assume that we are dealing with a pre-formal disclosure strategy? It is just a hypothesis, a possibility. I doubt that we should give more credence to a plaque than to three forensic experts.
I hope that this time we aren’t disappointed once again and that humanity will finally receive genuine, undeniable, evidence of the existence of what seem to be non-human, intelligent creatures. On the other hand, only careful scientific analysis will tell.  In spite of the “confidentiality agreement” that at this stage may be questioned as not being scientifically open, we MUST still avoid jumping to conclusions in favor or against this unfinished research in particular and in favor or against researchers in the UFO, exopolitics and experiencer communities and/or in favor or against particular cases without sufficient evidence or mostly based on scanty evidence that, nonetheless, supports our personal preferences and prejudices.
IF, ( a big IF) this time it’s not another “false alarm,” we might see some kind of disclosure in the works and the “humanoids from Perú” aspect would come from the People, meaning civilians, and researchers. IF these “findings” are proven genuine, the beings shown (either as prehispanic representations or as original mummified biological remnants) may or may not be of extraterrestrial origin. They might or might not add to a disclosure together with other unique cases like the so-called Atacama humanoid, the controversial (but not sufficiently deconstructed) case of the “Be Witness” humanoid and a (similar looking) humanoid killed near Tetas de Cayey in Puerto Rico in 1980. Perhaps also the “Atacama Humanoid,” cases from Russia and others should still be re-considered for further analysis because of the morphology more than the partial finding of DNA also present in homo sapiens (similar structuring genes could be shared by humanoids and apes).
IF at least some of the mummified samples are of humanoid biological entities that once lived and perhaps interacted with ancient native American, pre-Columbian civilizations, we would have the opportunity to study some remnants and artifacts that represent that interaction. Their significance would revive Exopolitics and all other disciplines, expand human awareness of our place in the universe and also the scope of religious doctrines while serving to find more appropriate epistemologies, theories, and paradigms as per the meaning of it all. Since until now I haven’t been privy to this research in person or on site and to date don’t clearly know if the scientific studies have been sufficiently rigorous, I’m still skeptical of the situation. However, like in the “Be Witness” case and the Atacama Humanoid case, I would first seriously listen to adequate scientists conducting adequate research. There is what I would call a “Doug & Dave Syndrome” in which, when many are skeptical and/or uncomfortable about a possibility, a simple explanation validating our suspicions is often sufficient to squelch further research, interest, and genuine critical thinking. And this has been used against the public interest as far as UFOs, Crop Circles and other non-conventional, otherworldly phenomena go. So, let’s wait and see if the scientific research is adequate and what the scientific reports will say.
There are some available images of samples apparently in possession of Mr. Thierry Jamin of Instituto Inkari (I believe that they are in a secure vault).
Here we see some of the X-rays. Again, some samples are not anatomically functional and may be either modern fakes made for commercial purposes or representations of creatures seen in the past. Some may be artificially created mummies and/or modified mummies similar to the Chinchorro mummies from Chile but, according to Mr. Maussan and others, some of the samples may be actual mummified bodies of once living humanoids of unknown origin. Again, let’s wait and see if the ongoing scientific research is adequate and what the scientific reports will say. Besides Jaime Maussan and his associated research team, there may be others looking into this case.
A Test of Our Exopolitical Readiness and Reactions
If genuine, the mummies may or may not be “extraterrestrial” but how we react to the unveiling of the investigations may reflect how “exopolitically mature” not only humanity at large is but also how mature may different individuals within the various UFO, exopolitical and experiencer communities be. Are we too personally subdivided into tribal camps, personal preferences and self-sustaining, mutually exclusive, belief groups to handle final physical proof of the existence of non-human, intelligent beings?
Observing reactions within these various groups may be a way to test how mature and capable of seeking unity and coherence of information we may be as per the extraterrestrial and – perhaps – multi dimensional, transdimensional presence.   We tend to dismiss what we personally dislike because it seems to contradict our preferences. Will there be more persons moving irrationally early into their own conclusions considering all of this as a “hoax” accusing researchers of fraud or perhaps will there be more persons jumping to conclusions that the finding is indeed final proof that otherworldly beings exist?  Will enough persons be willing and/or capable of not passing conclusive judgments until sufficient scientific research has been conducted and replicated?  Will the media and academic groups dismiss it immediately without sufficient evidence? Will they consider it a joke? And, if scientists definitely show that one or more of these mummies are of ancient non-human humanoids will humanity at large get used to the news, perhaps for the most part not wanting to think about its importance or perhaps enter into a panicky mode? Will excessively conservative religious groups say that the findings represent demons? Will the truth be allowed to come out?
My gratitude to Mr.Dante Rios Tambini who kept me abreast of the situation and who shared some of the images.
                         
A skeleton inside one of the alleged mummified samples, also with Instituto Inkari. is this a genuine original biological mummy from a formerly living being or a fabricated one?
Attorney & UFO researcher Dr. Anthony Choy inspecting a sample from another undisclosed collector of the same alleged mummies.
        
The larger (5 foot 6 inches) mummy (now considered to be a female humanoid) has been given the name of “María.” Forensic anthropologist Dr. José Salce points out that she has 3 fingers in each hand and 18 phalanxes in each hand. That would be 6 phalanxes in each of her 3 fingers.  The question is whether they were made to fit to perpetrate a hoax or whether they fit naturally and whether they would have been functional. 
Human hands only have 14 phalanxes in each hand. It would have been difficult to tamper with a normal mummy and add phalanxes that seem to fit perfectly well in this particular case.  The white powder covering her doesn’t seem to be chalk or gypsum. The internal organs are preserved, including what seems to be a good portion of the brain and these organs don’t seem to have been tampered with. Peruvian reporter Jois Mantilla (physically present with the team of scientists that arrived with Gaia TV and Mr. Maussan) recently informed in Dr. Anthony Choy’s radio program that “María” doesn’t seem to have a vagina or anus, the forearm appears to be missing one human bone and the femur appears to be joined to the hip through tendons. Also, the Peruvian surgeon Edson Salazar considers this a case worth investigating with a careful attitude, also thinking that adding extra fingers would have been very difficult due to the embracing position the mummy displays.
There allegedly is another mummy that has eggs inside her as shown through X rays and/or CAT scans. Perhaps humanoid and reptilian like or like the equidna and platypus mammals.  On July 11 this and other information will be revealed first in Lima, Peru and thereafter in Mexico and in the U.S. Many scientists are extremely skeptical or havent shown much interest.
We must try to avoid ad hominem and a priori, disqualifying accusations and focus upon sincere and adequate research!  And share this information truthfully with the public!
Side view of alleged humanoid female mummy now being called Maria. Covered in a white dust material that according to the research team associated with Gaia and Mr. Maussan is not plaster.
X ray of one of the larger hands (not from Maria but another sample). It is rejected by paleontologist Dr. Roberto Salas Gismondi in a report here in Spanish. He asserts that this sample and all the other samples and mummies do not make any anatomic, functional or evolutionary sense.   He also adds MC letters and other indications to the X Ray to show that this hand shows metacarps that are being mistakenly counted as phalanxes because the hand has been altered. Several experts should consider looking into this. Here is the link https://www.sophimania.pe/ciencia/dinosaurios-paleontologia-y-arqueologia/cientifico-sobre-la-momia-de-nazca-ninguna-de-las-manos-tiene-sentido-anatomico-funcional-o-evolutivo/
ALSO POSTED IN FACEBOOK ON JULY 8.  A RECENT skeptical DECLARATION BY AN IMPORTANT GROUP OF SCIENTISTS ABOUT THE ALLEGED MUMMIES. I HOPE THAT FURTHER RESEARCH AND DIALOGUE IS PROMOTED BETWEEN SCIENTISTS ASSOCIATED TO GAIA, MR. JAMIN AND MR. MAUSSAN AND THESE AND OTHER SCIENTISTS (IT IS IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH)
I share these declarations to promote further investigations and a serious scientific DIALOGUE. Here is the link. https://www.facebook.com/wcoms/posts/804089006431344:0  
Alleged male and female humanoid mummies. The female one appears to have a slightly bloated belly. The X Ray shows what seem to be pregnant with eggs withing the belly of the female mummy. Posted by investigative journalist Fernando Correa in his Facebook page.   
 
 
PLEASE SHARE THIS. and G+ if you wish. After July 11 I will try to make another separate report.
 Various links (mostly in Spanish):
 LINK To “ALIEN PROJECT” also in French(  https://fr.ulule.com/alien-project/
Different images: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMWkY42AlOE&t=31s
Mr. Jamin with large, three-fingered hands, Mr. Dante Rios and X-Ray doctors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qa3EIUeEYQ
Mr. Thierry Jamin Facebook link for “Alien Project” https://www.facebook.com/thierry.jamin
Dr. Anthony Choy showing a different collection of the same alleged mummified beings and/or fabrications in the possession of an anonymous person https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9jfyFeumjw&t=1s
Mr. Jaime Maussan conversing with Mr. Thierry Jamin after his return from Perú https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hW8C7yIHJo&t=4763s
Mr. Paul Ronceros in ATV News (from Lima, Perú) showing some samples in his possession, claiming that they are all prehispanis fabrications and willing to collaborate with researchers  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP9gSig7TyM&t=85s
Mr. Paul Ronceros YouTube channel. He first thought the samples were of ET beings that had once lived. Now he affirms that they are representations of creatures seen made by prehispanic inhabitants.   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjPFCqoU757S0Cgrj6hPIhw/videos
Mr. Paul Ronceros‘ explanation that they are all fabricated with a translation into English https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIH2OyBhmEY
Interview (in Spanish) from Yohanan Diaz to Jaime Maussan 05/02/2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiC1LKFbFXI
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