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Vlado Kapetanovic
Vlado Kapetanovic

By Giorgio Piacenza What extraterrestrial civilizations would be most convenient to contact as friends and allies of humanity? Should “Apunians” be high on the list of a citizen’s contact initiative? Individuals currently claim they are contacting these helpful ETs. However, I also conducted the following interview in Lima, Peru in 1994 while  Vlado Kapetanovic Bulatovic was still alive. Mr. Kapetanovic (who was naturalized as a Peruvian citizen) passed away in 2005 and is considered to have been the first contactee in Peru to speak about contacts with beings from planet “Apu.” He was well-known and respected among ET-contact-interested individuals and UFO researchers. He was invited by Wendelle C. Stevens to the First International UFO Conference and – due to his inspiring, straightforward humanitarian message – received a standing ovation. He transmitted the feeling that relatively easy contacts with respectful, human extraterrestrials were possible.


Allegedly, people contacting the “Apunians” didn’t require any special preparation. Mr. Kapetanovic was born in Kolasin, Montenegro in 1918 and after the Second World War came to Peru to work as an hydroelectric engineer. Vlado was a kind, humble, affable and generous man who wrote “170 Horas con Extraterrestres” under the pseudonym of “Vitko Novi.” The book was published in Spanish, German and Italian, but also in English by Wendelle C. Stevens (in the English version 70 Hours were taken away from the title by mistake). Well, Vlado (like the Apunians) basically inspired benevolence. His first book (“170 Horas con Extraterrestres”) is more credible as it basically narrates events. Subsequent books (like “Galaxia X-9”) seem to be based on what he recalls and partially re-interprets about the history of the world, the creation of the universe and other things that were allegedly shown to him through three dimensional “time screens” on board an Apunian space craft. Besides Vlado Kapetanovic there are other contactees in Peru who claim to have had physical contacts with the Apunians. Among them, Sixto Paz Wells from Mision Rahma, Ricardo Gonzalez and Roberto Vargas de la Gala. One of the best known Apunians is called “Godar” and I also know a Uruguayan couple who have allegedly contacted Godar besides those mentioned. These contactees’ information about the Apunians matches Vlado’s but only partially so.  In Vlado’s case, they are more like “kind people” that interact with Andean shepherds in a helpful way and even accept prepared food and eat with them. They are said to come from another more evolved “galaxy” which Vlado calls “X-9.” In the other contactee cases, the Apunians come from “Alpha Centauri” and are sometimes contacted physically and-or holographically through artificially generated, visible space-time connecting, energy bubbles called “Xendras.”  They are human-looking and over 7’ tall but also considered very respectful and protective. Contacting this variety of Apunians normally requires physical, mental and spiritual preparations as if they maintain a higher energy state. Interestingly, the word “Apu” is very important here in Peru and refers to the powerful spirits of the mountains, to a “lord,” to something sublime and to community leaders. Allegedly, Vlado’s first encounter took place in Hydroelectric Plant of Huallanca, in Ancash, Peru and subsequent encounters took place in a small settlement of high altitude (between 11,000-13,000 feet approximately) shepherds above the right margin of the “Quitaraxa River,” near Los Cedros Creek, not far from “Champara” mountain and close to “Milwacocha.” One of the alleged witnesses was a technician whose last name was “Quispe” and another one was called Adrian Perez.  I haven’t located them personally to verify the story but can attest that, during some psychographic communications with alleged “Apunians” (communications in which some family members and friends were involved and which led to clear UFO sightings in the beach of the coastal town of Chilca, south of Lima), alleged “Apunian” ETs held Vlado Kapetanovic in high regard.


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I haven’t seen photographs or UFO films related with this case. It mostly rests on the authenticity Vlado exuded and perhaps on finding a few living witnesses. Mr. Julio Longo who lived with Vlado in Salamanca de Monterrico, Lima attests in favor of Vlado’s sincerity. Anthony Choy (well-known Peruvian UFO researcher) mentions that he met neighbors who saw UFOs near Vlado’s home. Tobías Sarmiento was Vlado’s replacement engineer at the hydroelectric in Huallanca and might still live. A man named Adrian Perez is mentioned in Vlado’s account but I haven’t met him. Veterinarian José Antonio Torre Ferrara allegedly met some of the witnesses of Vlado’s encounters. He lives in Lima and I’m going to research this.


Vlado Kapetanovic : Interviewed by Giorgio Piacenza  Vlado Kapetanovic (Vitko Novi), born in 1918, is a Yugoslavian electrical engineer who experienced hundreds of physical contact hours with the Apunians in the highlands of Peru. He is highly regarded by some people communicating with ETs in Peru and is a responsible altruistic man living a very simple life. This interview took place in Lima in September of 1994 and speaks about some of his first encounters with a very benevolent and old race of friends to the human race. GP– Who are they Vlado? VK– They are persons that live on a planet they call “Apu,” which is many millions of light years distant from our galaxy. GP– How do they look? VK– They look the same as us, yet they are physically better proportioned (than most on Earth). They can be as tall as they wish to; some are taller than two meters and some are shorter. GP– When did your contacts begin? VK– On March 10, 1960, at the Hydroelectric Plant of Huallanca in Ancash, Peru. One night the light went out… I was an electrical technician in charge of the plant… I went outside to start the D.C. emergency system and met with such a light that it seemed to be daytime. It came from a saucer resting on a piece of land between two nearby rivers. The security guard, Quiroz, told me not to approach because “they are persons that do much good up in the villages… they he-l us, make it rain and every-thing.” I just thought they were from the military because somehow they had passed through the electric cables. Nevertheless, I asked Quiroz where they were from and he said. “They are our friends from planet Apu.” Thinking that he was drunk, I told him to set down. Walking towards the light, I encountered two human persons. They saluted me in my own language (Yugoslavian), but this didn’t surprise me because anyone can learn languages. I asked them why they had caused the interruption and they answered, “Friend, we don’t come to Earth to harm anyone, but to help our terrestrial brothers…everything for others.” then they climbed into the ship and left. GP-How was your second contact? VK– On April 2, 1960, a technician and I went for a hike.1 On a plain we found shepherds with their animals. There was a campfire and suddenly one of the shepherds came to us and aggressively asked, “What do you want here?” I told him that we were hunting pumas. Then he abruptly said, “go over there.” Suddenly, another person approached from the campfire gathering and I recognized him as one of those persons that I had seen at the hydroelectric plant. He gave me his hand and the shepherd allowed me to pass through. We sat around and one of the foreigners stood up and said he would demonstrate a “gymnastic exercise” for our liking. He pressed some buttons on his chest, his pants became wider like balloons then flew around and returned. Thinking that I was being hypnotized, I walked back home. GP– How was your third experience? VK– On May 15, 1960, Quispe the technician and I went for a walk to the hills and we met with shepherds in huts near a campfire. Out of a hut came a crying boy and a crying lady. We asked this lady why she was crying and she responded that a week ago one of her boys had fractured his spine and several ribs. Then we went into the hut to see her boy. He was about ten years old and his body had a deep blue color associated with gangrene. We asked her to allow us to take the boy to the town of Caraz for treatment. She emphatically rejected this proposal because “the g-ds will come to heal him”. I was expecting them to dance naked and invoke the spirits when suddenly a small airplane descended vertically without any noise. Everyone around the campfire stood up when a woman stepped out of this craft, approached and went into the hut. Carrying the little boy in her arms, she took him into the airplane. Everyone around me kneeled down, but I remained standing until my companion told me to kneel. She then approached and said, “Please stand up. We don’t come to Earth to be thanked, paid, or worshipped on your knees because we have the sacred mission of doing everything for others.” We all stood up, She approached and I asked her, “What have you done with the boy?” She responded, “I disintegrated him into minius1 and then reintegrated him with healthy cells.” Again, I asked her, “What does that mean?” She made a gesture with her hands and turned seven sheep into flower vases. I still thought she could make me see anything through hypnosis. She commented that on Earth “We, as a people, usually think what we can see or do selfishly.”


“Then, where are you from,” I asked her, “From Earth or Apu?” “I am from Earth, but have lived in Apu for 100 years.” Then she moved her hand once again and the vases turned into seven doves. Some dogs ran after them and I thought, “Poor dogs, they are as hypnotized as me.” Suddenly, she moved her hand and the seven sheep reappeared. Then, the lady invited us to go into the airplane to see events on the “time screens”. Quispe, a few shepherds and I went into the craft and on the wall we saw a glass screen that began to reproduce everything we thought. We saw the birth and life of Jesus Christ and the way in which a section of Apu was somehow once connected with the Lake Titicaca region. We also saw how a “cellular planet” touched this region and promoted life. This is why there are some strange animals on the lake (such as the giant frogs) that were investigated by a team of French scientists. GP– What is the Apunians’ main message, Vlado? VK– They don’t know how to hate. They just reject the negativity and soften it. This is why they don’t have any wars. They are friends of all intelligent beings in the universe. If someone attacks them they disintegrate them and reintegrate them as a friend. Their main message is expressed by the phrase “everything for others.”3 GP– Do you still have contacts? VK– I have contacts every now and then. One has to concentrate and relax for this. But they are among us every day since they can appear as whites, blacks, Orientals or whatever is necessary.


  1. In “170 Horas con Extraterrestres” the first person to meet the Apunians along with Vlado at a small settlement while hiking above Quitaraxa is Adrian Perez. The second person doing so during a subsequent hike is Mr. Quispe.
  2. According to Vlado, the “minius” is the origin of all life, the smallest particle that exists between nothingness and a material something. Whatever name one chooses for it, this primary element of creation would be used to generate enough psychic force to create matter, alter reality, alter space, alter time, conduct instant healing, materialize, dematerialize, reverse age, etcetera
  3. After Vlado’s example, contactees Juan Acervo, Maruja Soler kindly greet people approaching them to learn more about extraterrestrials with open palms saying the phrase “all for others.” Vlado said that the Apunians specialize in helping living cells and that they were friends of all forms of life. Using the “minius” they could apparently generate “positive ions” that transformed negative situations into positive ones.


By Giorgio Piacenza

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The “visitors” whom retired U.S. Army Sergeant Clifford Stone describes are “three dimensional” in the sense of being more alive and humanly genuine than the rote expectations with which they are frequently portrayed. These “visitors” for him are real persons, not robotic-like conscious minds that have no similarities with human understandings. Nevertheless, he also describes a variety of these entities including his early life friend “Corona”. They can be greenish (and less believable if described due to the “little green men” cliché phrase); they can be indistinguishable from “us” (“us” referring to who? white Nordic humans because if they had been like the “Negritos” from the Philippines or like the pigmies from Congo would they have still been considered “like us”?). Apparently, according to Stone, some are types of “greys” and some are not but, interestingly, he says that all of them have what could be termed an “alter dimensional” aspect. This is particularly valid for me who after years of considering how might ET “visitors” generally operate think that a key lies in being able to interact with what in simple, colloquial terms could be called the “Astral World.” I think that “they” can come from different universes or “coherent molecular spaces” (as mentioned in Sergeant Stone’s interviews) which have different degrees of interaction with the Astral (or Subtle) World whose objective exteriors causally respond to subjective input. The more fused or actively related with the Astral World a physical universe might be, the more flexible and “unphysical” and the more subjectively responsive it might also be.

Since this essay recognizes Sergeant Stone’s emphasis upon friendship I’m going to join the ranks calling him a “friend” (a friend of humanity and by extension of mine) and refer to him as “Clifford.” Clifford’s friend Mr. Joseph Zeromski states that some of the “visitors” are “mischievous” and at the same time he also expresses that they are more spiritually evolved. Perhaps understanding the inner workings of the living Kosmos and being able to apply this understanding in their lifestyles and technologies may in some sense for some be equivalent to thinking about all of these beings as more “spiritually evolved.” Perhaps even an evil entity could be understood like this from a limited human perspective focused upon denser physical matter. However, entities with a practical reach into the Astral World might not necessarily have the same intentions of the kindest persons on Earth. It might mean that they understand more and operate more under some shared rules whether under their own enthusiasm or by a forced need to do so.

Both Clifford and Joseph Zeromski mention or imply that friendship is not only possible with extraterrestrial entities but desirable. They also say that people normally tend to ask the wrong questions in relation to ETS, for instance mostly thinking in terms of technologies that can be turned into weapons and not thinking in terms of the personal, cultural and social lives of the “visitors.” I agree as understanding the cultural, social, psychological and spiritual dimensions of the “visitors” should be of paramount importance to establish a solid, long-term relation with them and to better understand our own history and role in the living Kosmos. Clifford speaks of variety and complexity in relation to extraterrestrials and that, typically, persons involved in UFO research may only be dealing with the “tip of the iceberg.”

Clifford also tells us that, after his son died under strange coincidences/circumstances (not likely related to a military operation) and after he was taken out of his physical body by his ET friend Corona to visit his departed son (he would only remember the encounter with his son before the definitive threshold separating the low-physical Astral World from what could be called “Heaven” or a full-fledged, more enlightened level in that Astral World), he heard and saw an evil shadow “face” who told him that they could kill him if they wanted to. This was followed by another voice that said that he was not to be killed. Were these entities “extraterrestrials” or were they some of the spiritual entities behind the main “good vs. evil” dramas played on Planet Earth? Are they attempting to pull the strings in disfavor of the highest potentials of the human world? I have a feeling that they are of the latter category and remember that in the Bible is the admonition that our real enemies are not of this world.

The SOM-101 Manual referred to by Clifford and other alleged official instructions to deal with the “visitors” mention guidelines such as “official denial,” “discredit witnesses,” “deceptive statements,” “securing an evidence area out of those without a need to know” and managing a “press blackout.” Well, this probably means that persons with the same level of consciousness as the average “out of the loop” citizen are following the basic reaction to a threat. Acting as society’s “superego” under the systems permission the denial of those “in the loop” is imposed upon the non-military, or upon the “out of the loop” collective majority which, after all, for the most part at this stage of the game seems to prefer not to know or to deny the facts by turning UFO ET issues into jokes. With this attitude, the personal (First Person Subjective), cultural (Second Person Relational) and the social (Third Person Systemic) “dimensions” of any real, living being are relegated to non-issues and the typical perspective on extraterrestrial entities (whether from those in the know and those not in the know) becomes easily trivialized and “mono dimensional.”

In this fashion the “visitors” are normally experienced as OBJECTS and not as conscious, feeling, experiencing entities as alive as we are. Then, since the human mind can theorize and remain distant or uninvolved from a Third Person perspective it becomes easier to handle or manage the “visitors” without commitment and essential subjectively felt respect much as civilians of an enemy country are easily bombed from an airplane when soldiers are given a theoretical reason by authorities.

Interestingly, Clifford’s preparation for the job he experienced with the “visitors” started in childhood and apparently an Air force Captain “in the know” coincided with him and this led to his eventual recruitment into a secret ET research program. Could it be that Clifford had a life as an ET and that he made the agreement to assist in the human-ET relation during our era? However it was, Clifford’s “preparation” seems to have involved personal and immediate family members and social relations in which some of the ETS participated since his early childhood. In other words, it involved more aspects of a real self-conscious, intelligent, feeling being’s “dimensions” of reality and not just the distant, Third Person, theoretical style. This is probably why he was utilized by the military to communicate with the ETS and why he was tolerated when infringing some otherwise strict rules as when he liberated a “visitor” guest who felt more like a prisoner.

I would say that Clifford’s preparation was not only personal and social but also “integral” as it involved all of his being. I would also say that some of this preparation involved the “visitors’ using collective unconscious symbols such as when allegedly an ET impersonates someone else during Christmas and asks him if he wants to go to see the “boogey man” (this reminds me of Whitley Strieber’s experiences that also seem to relate with eliciting universal fears). When Clifford allegedly saw and heard a grey type of alien laughing with a “hellish laugh” and making a “crackling sound” he seems to have been not just connecting with the ET “visitor” but with this entity eliciting a direct experience with something in a collective unconscious “imaginal” realm, (a realm that might materialize or become experientially available in a physical sense under certain circumstances as Carl Jung hinted). For some reasons the reality of humans interacting with many ET visitors often takes on dreamlike-but-physical emotionally charged, symbolic characteristics. Are they interested in peeking unto some of Man’s raw creative powers?

As part of his “preparation” from childhood, Clifford also inevitably saw things against his conscious will and found that no one would listen or taken him seriously with few exceptions (his childhood friend Delbert Hudson apparently got to see some entities as well). Also, as part of his preparation to be a liaison between ETS varieties and humans he joined the Army and prepared as a military man and a patriot. He was trained in special operations to recover devices that fell on the ground and which could be potentially dangerous but had to be transported to a secure place. Nonetheless, in addition to this he must have also been trained to work on a regular job (as he states) because not every day important technological devices fall from the sky.

Clifford then, much later in life and, apparently only after the tragedy of his son’s early demise gained enough wisdom to decide to speak out in public (even perhaps against his sense of loyalty and conditioning to the military) so that other citizens would learn more of the truth. His son’s death could be considered as a “preparation” for his public role in disclosure events that followed extending his reach to a much wider group (perhaps from all potential U.S. citizens to all humans).

There’s a moment in Clifford’s 2001 Disclosure Project declaration in which he simply states that “visitors from other planets are coming here to this planet” but after reading into this straightforward and simple statement, I would say that they might be doing so not just physically (or interactive with our particular “space-time”) but also “internally” through dimensions of existence that respond or obey to our wills. In fact, how our minds affect what C. Jung and physicist W. Pauli understood as called the “imaginal” worlds may be important not just to us (when sometimes these “imaginal “worlds materialize in an objective and-or experiential way) but particularly important to the visitors whose “molecular spaces” or physical universes may be more integrated with the Astral or Subtle Realm than ours. In other words, our “astral” creative capacities may also be of great importance to them.

William F. Hamilton III (whom I consider a very good, intelligent researcher with an ample understanding on many UFO matters) brought up the issue of pre-physical “potentials.” In chapter four of his “Alien Magic,” a chapter dealing with “UFO Crashes in the Desert” William Steinman is said to have discovered that a Dr. R.I. Sarbacher suggests (in relation of a crashed or recovered ET craft) that “The activation of an electrical potential is believed to be the primary power to the reactor, though it is only a theory at present.” Well, in my view, if this “electric potential” refers to a more primary energy-as-information potential, a kind of “field” which is non vectorial, he may referring to a pre-physical element that co-exists with the Astral World or Subtle Realm as a structured information subset derived from it. I think that as exopoliticians we must reach out into this “Astral World” in order to understand many of the scientific and personal interests of our ET “visitors” and-or “friends.”

Clifford mentions that knowledge of humans surviving bodily death is important, implying that it also is scientifically and experientially important and useful for the “visitors.” This is an issue that should also be significant to exopoliticians and UFO researchers, not just because of its relation with ET technology, but because to understand the ET mindset and who we are in relation to them and to the Kosmos (in fact, in order to “enlighten up” our emerging world culture) we need to understand our implicit and explicit roles in “otherworldly” matters at large. In fact, survival research in general as much as hyper physics, free energy and the like should be more than fitting for well-rounded exopoliticians.


Paola Leopizzi Harris (2008). “Interview with Clifford Stone about Crash Retrievals and Aliens (with the help of his collaborator Joseph Zeromski).”


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